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EP #3

Discipleship Beyond the Numbers

Discipleship Beyond the Numbers

with guest

Tim Smith

Mar 12, 2025

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Episode Summary

Youth ministry can often feel like a complex juggling act – trying to balance engaging events, Biblical teaching, and meaningful discipleship while also maintaining high attendance numbers. But what if there was a clearer way forward? Tim Smith, Next Gen Director at Faith Church in South Carolina, shares powerful insights on how to structure a youth ministry that genuinely produces disciples rather than just impressive statistics.

The conversation begins with a critical observation: many youth ministers find themselves chasing multiple good ideas without a coherent strategy. This leads to exhaustion, confusion, and ultimately, a ministry that may appear successful on the surface but isn't producing lasting fruit. Smith explains, "You can get so caught up chasing so many good ideas and so many different directions that you're not actually making the ground you think you're making."

This is where the concept of "Vitals for Youth Ministry" provides a transformative framework. Smith compares these vitals to targets in basketball: "If you aim small, you will miss small." By focusing on five clear vitals – biblical truth, spiritual transformation, healthy community, missional living, and leadership development – youth pastors can establish specific targets that guide all their ministry decisions.

These vitals serve three crucial functions in youth ministry. First, they act as targets, providing clear direction for what youth pastors should aim for amidst countless options. Second, they function as guardrails, keeping ministry from veering into activities that, while possibly good, don't align with the core mission. Finally, they operate as a GPS system, offering step-by-step guidance toward the destination of making disciples.

Perhaps most powerfully, Smith shares his own journey of transformation as a youth pastor. In his early years, he was consumed with an evangelistic focus, measuring success by numbers and altar calls. "I felt like I had to be an evangelist," he confesses. "I thought every week was an evangelism outreach... and if I could give good numbers to my lead pastor with those events and the hands raised, then I was crushing it." This emphasis came from a place of insecurity – using numbers to validate his calling and position.

The turning point came when Smith realized he was potentially "raising up lost people to reach the lost" – students who hadn't truly been discipled themselves. This insight led to a complete restructuring of his ministry approach, now organized around four quarterly themes: "Who is God?", "Who am I?", "What do I believe?", and "What do I do?" This intentional structure ensures students receive balanced spiritual nourishment rather than just reflecting their youth pastor's personal preferences or strengths.

For youth pastors considering a similar restructuring, Smith offers practical guidance: ensure alignment with your lead pastor's vision, begin the change process by training your leaders first, categorize existing activities according to which vital they fulfill (eliminating those that don't fit any vital), and allow your vision to drive your calendar and budget decisions.

The conversation concludes with an encouraging reminder that effective youth ministry isn't about validating our position or worth through impressive numbers, but faithfully carrying what God has entrusted to us – the discipleship of the next generation of believers.